Alin,

Thanks for that. Option 1 works apart from Hansl Primer - still picks the old A4 version up.


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Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 17:50:03 +0100
From: George Matysiak <gmatysiak@gmail.com>
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Sven, thanks for the reply. Your suggestions do not work - I still get the
March 2016 files.




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> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 16:27:05 +0200
> From: Sven Schreiber <svetosch@gmx.net>
> To: gretl-users@lists.wfu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Gretl-users] User Guide Versionand other documentation
>         and Gretl 2016c
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> Am 16.07.2016 um 23:41 schrieb George Matysiak:
> > Having installed Gretl 2016c I notice that the User Guide is dated March
> > 2016, as is the Command Reference, Hansl Primer and Package Function
> > Guide. Are the latest versions not automatically installed on a Gretl
> > upodate? Thanks.
> >
>
> Sorry for the non-response, apparently it's vacation time. I presume
> you're using Windows. If you uninstall the old gretl version first, then
> it should be the latest pdf versions. If you're as lazy as I am and
> simply install the new version over the old one then not necessarily.
> You could manually delete the pdfs and then gretl will (try to) download
> the current versions when you select the corresponding menu items.
>
> cheers,
> sven
>
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> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 16:35:33 +0200
> From: Sven Schreiber <svetosch@gmx.net>
> To: gretl-users@lists.wfu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Gretl-users] F-test: Fixed Effects vs Pooled OLS
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> Am 20.07.2016 um 15:28 schrieb Bruno Gobeil:
> > Hello!
> >
> >
> >
> > I would like to better understand the rational for using the following
> > formula for determining the denominator degrees of freedom for the
> > F-test: n(t-1)-(k-1); where n is the number of regions, t the number of
> > years, k the number of parameters, including the constant. I thought
> > that the use of the de-meaned data approach compared to LSDV approach
> > for the fixed effects model would lead to a higher number of denominator
> > degrees of freedom, as suggested in the Gretl Guide, with the following
> > formula: nt-k.
> >
>
> If I understand your question correctly, then here is my answer: LSDV
> and de-meaned data fixed effects ("within" estimation) are equivalent
> for testing purposes. To put it differently, de-meaning is also a
> statistical estimation procedure, because you do not know the expected
> population values a priori and hence you have to estimate them via the
> arithmetic means. Hence you cannot gain d.o.f. by the within/de-meaned
> estimator.
>
> This is not gretl-specific, of course.
>
> hth,
> sven
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> Am 20.07.2016 um 15:28 schrieb Bruno Gobeil:
> > Hello!
> >
> >
> >
> > I would like to better understand the rational for using the following
> > formula for determining the denominator degrees of freedom for the
> > F-test: n(t-1)-(k-1); where n is the number of regions, t the number
> > of years, k the number of parameters, including the constant. I
> > thought that the use of the de-meaned data approach compared to LSDV
> > approach for the fixed effects model would lead to a higher number of
> > denominator degrees of freedom, as suggested in the Gretl Guide, with
> > the following
> > formula: nt-k.
> >
>
> If I understand your question correctly, then here is my answer: LSDV and
> de-meaned data fixed effects ("within" estimation) are equivalent for
> testing purposes. To put it differently, de-meaning is also a statistical
> estimation procedure, because you do not know the expected population
> values a priori and hence you have to estimate them via the arithmetic
> means. Hence you cannot gain d.o.f. by the within/de-meaned estimator.
>
> This is not gretl-specific, of course.
>
> hth,
> sven
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Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 19:55:13 +0200
From: Sven Schreiber <svetosch@gmx.net>
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Am 20.07.2016 um 18:50 schrieb George Matysiak:
> Sven, thanks for the reply. Your suggestions do not work - I still get
> the March 2016 files.
>

Well if you really deleted the old files manually it sounds very
improbable to me that gretl would download them again. So I guess the
old files must still be lying around on your hard disk somewhere where
gretl is looking for them. Unfortunately right now I'm not sure exactly
what those locations could be.

In any case, if you need to look at the new files they are also here:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/gretl/files/manual/

cheers,
sven



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Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:21:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Allin Cottrell <cottrell@wfu.edu>
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Subject: Re: [Gretl-users] Gretl-users Digest, Vol 114, Issue 8
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On Wed, 20 Jul 2016, George Matysiak wrote:

> Sven, thanks for the reply. Your suggestions do not work - I still
> get the March 2016 files.

Ah, I think I know what may be happening here. Have you at some
point selected A4-format documentation? (Under
/Tools/Preferences/General there's an item "PDF manual preference"
where you can select US letter paper or A4 paper.)

Here's the thing: each release package includes current versions of
the Gretl User's Guide and the Gretl Command Reference (PDF files)
in US letter format. But if you want the A4 versions they are
downloaded on demand. And in this respect there's a gap in our
updating logic: if you have once downloaded (for example) the A4
User's Guide, then it will be found on your system thereafter and
will not be downloaded again, even if it goes out of date.
Uninstalling gretl won't help: the old A4 PDF files will not get
deleted since they were not part of the initial gretl installation.

We need to figure out a proper fix for this, but in the meantime
here are two possible work-arounds:

1. Select US letter format under Preferences, and you'll see the new
PDF files that were installed with gretl 2016c.

2. Manually delete the old PDF files under the "doc" folder in your
gretl installation. Then when you go to consult them the new
versions will get downloaded from sourceforge.

On the other hand, if the Preferences/General dialog is NOT showing
A4 as your preferred PDF format, then I don't know what's happening.
I have verified that the 2016c release files on sourceforge contain
the Guide and Reference as of July 6, 2016.

Allin Cottrell


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