7:49 p.m.
It's time we put out a new gretl release (this will be 1.9.13) and
we're pretty much ready to do that. But first I'd like to ask a
couple of questions, about the gretl packages for MS Windows and Mac
OS X, and see what people have to say.
MS Windows:
For some time now I've been putting up snapshots with a 64-bit build
of gretl for Windows; see
http://sourceforge.net/projects/gretl/files/windows-testing/
I've tested this myself on Windows 8 and found no problems. (There
was a problem with gnuplot at first but that is long since fixed.)
Since 64-bit Windows is becoming more widespread I think it would be
worth moving this out of testing and offering it as a regular
download option. Anyone see any reason why not? (Since the 32-bit
version runs OK on win64 but not vice versa we could say something
like, "If you're not sure which version you need, choose the 32-bit
one.")
Mac OS X:
For some time I've kept the snapshot gretl-quartz.dmg.gz up to date;
see
http://sourceforge.net/projects/gretl/files/osx-testing/
Unlike our "regular" OS X packages this one does not require that
X11 be installed, and neither does it require a separate download of
the GTK "framework" -- it is self-contained. In addition it is a
64-bit build and it is somewhat more "Mac-like" in its behavior than
our other packages.
Anyway, I'm thinking we should probably make this "quartz" version
of gretl the default download for Intel macs from the next release
onward (while keeping the X11 version available as an option).
My main reason for saying this is that various changes in OS X since
10.6 have made it more difficult for the "average" user to install
any third-party software supplied in the form of a disk image (dmg),
as gretl is -- let alone to install three pieces of software (X11,
GTK, gretl) as required by the X11 build. We really should supply
totally explicit instructions (preferably with screenshots), and
this is much more feasible for an all-in-one package.
There are a couple of reasons why some users might prefer to stick
with the X11 version, but I don't think these will apply to most Mac
users:
(1) keyboard navigation of the GUI is not as well supported in the
quartz version at present (this may fix itself as the
gtk-mac-integration library improves over time); and
(2) to avoid dependence on X11, the interactive gnuplot "terminal"
shipped in the quartz package is "aquaterm", which looks quite nice
but does not support interactive manipulation of "3-dimensional"
plots. Note that this has nothing to do with most of the plots
displayed by gretl, which don't use any gnuplot "terminal"; it's
only 3-D plots we're talking about.
So my question here is: does anyone have reason to think we
shouldn't switch to 64-bit gretl-quartz as our default offering for
the Mac?
Allin Cottrell
10:19 a.m.
On 11-10-2013, at 21:49, Allin Cottrell <cottrell(a)wfu.edu> wrote:
It's time we put out a new gretl release (this will be 1.9.13)
and
we're pretty much ready to do that. But first I'd like to ask a
couple of questions, about the gretl packages for MS Windows and Mac
OS X, and see what people have to say.
MS Windows:
For some time now I've been putting up snapshots with a 64-bit build
of gretl for Windows; see
http://sourceforge.net/projects/gretl/files/windows-testing/
I've tested this myself on Windows 8 and found no problems. (There
was a problem with gnuplot at first but that is long since fixed.)
Since 64-bit Windows is becoming more widespread I think it would be
worth moving this out of testing and offering it as a regular
download option. Anyone see any reason why not? (Since the 32-bit
version runs OK on win64 but not vice versa we could say something
like, "If you're not sure which version you need, choose the 32-bit
one.")
Mac OS X:
For some time I've kept the snapshot gretl-quartz.dmg.gz up to date;
see
http://sourceforge.net/projects/gretl/files/osx-testing/
Unlike our "regular" OS X packages this one does not require that
X11 be installed, and neither does it require a separate download of
the GTK "framework" -- it is self-contained. In addition it is a
64-bit build and it is somewhat more "Mac-like" in its behavior than
our other packages.
Anyway, I'm thinking we should probably make this "quartz" version
of gretl the default download for Intel macs from the next release
onward (while keeping the X11 version available as an option).
My main reason for saying this is that various changes in OS X since
10.6 have made it more difficult for the "average" user to install
any third-party software supplied in the form of a disk image (dmg),
as gretl is -- let alone to install three pieces of software (X11,
GTK, gretl) as required by the X11 build. We really should supply
totally explicit instructions (preferably with screenshots), and
this is much more feasible for an all-in-one package.
There are a couple of reasons why some users might prefer to stick
with the X11 version, but I don't think these will apply to most Mac
users:
(1) keyboard navigation of the GUI is not as well supported in the
quartz version at present (this may fix itself as the
gtk-mac-integration library improves over time); and
(2) to avoid dependence on X11, the interactive gnuplot "terminal"
shipped in the quartz package is "aquaterm", which looks quite nice
but does not support interactive manipulation of "3-dimensional"
plots. Note that this has nothing to do with most of the plots
displayed by gretl, which don't use any gnuplot "terminal"; it's
only 3-D plots we're talking about.
So my question here is: does anyone have reason to think we
shouldn't switch to 64-bit gretl-quartz as our default offering for
the Mac?
I am very much in two minds about this.
The X11 version is quite ugly but responds nicely to keyboard operation.
X11 on OS X 10.7+ is not that difficult to install because the system will offer to
download XQuartz and install it; the only catch is that you must log out and log in again
after installing the X-system.
The quartz version has weirdness with the keyboard.
Command+H brings up the help system but in the gretl OS X menu at top of the screen
Command+H is the standard shortcut for Hide Gretl. And that doesn't work now.
Confusing.
I would change the gretl help keyboard shortcut to something more like the OS X standard:
Command+? (aside: I have configured F1 in OS X to open the Help menu in all applications.
That also seems to work in the quartz version of Gretl: it opens the Command Reference.)
I prefer the quartz version for the looks and the absence of X but really don't like
the absence of a standard way to get to the menu with a keyboard shortcut and the absence
of single letter keyboard navigation of the menus. One is forced to use the mouse.
I feel that both versions should be offered.
Berend
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11:15 a.m.
Am 11.10.2013 21:49, schrieb Allin Cottrell:
It's time we put out a new gretl release (this will be 1.9.13)
and
we're pretty much ready to do that.
That's good news.
MS Windows:
For some time now I've been putting up snapshots with a 64-bit build
of gretl for Windows; see
http://sourceforge.net/projects/gretl/files/windows-testing/
I've tested this myself on Windows 8 and found no problems. (There
was a problem with gnuplot at first but that is long since fixed.)
Since 64-bit Windows is becoming more widespread I think it would be
worth moving this out of testing and offering it as a regular
download option. Anyone see any reason why not? (Since the 32-bit
version runs OK on win64 but not vice versa we could say something
like, "If you're not sure which version you need, choose the 32-bit
one.")
I support this view. I also used the 64-bit version for some work on
panels, and I didn't experience any special issues. Actually, once I
needed the 64-bit version (on Windows) as the dataset seemed to be too
large for the 32-bit for which I received an "out of memory" error. It
worked fine with the 64-bit one.
Artur
2:48 p.m.
On Sat, 12 Oct 2013, Berend Hasselman wrote:
On 11-10-2013, at 21:49, Allin Cottrell <cottrell(a)wfu.edu> wrote:
> It's time we put out a new gretl release (this will be 1.9.13) and
> we're pretty much ready to do that. But first I'd like to ask a
> couple of questions, about the gretl packages for MS Windows and Mac
> OS X, and see what people have to say [...]
I am very much in two minds about [making the gtk-quartz
version of gretl the default download for the Mac].
[...]
The quartz version has weirdness with the keyboard.
Command+H brings up the help system but in the gretl OS X menu at
top of the screen Command+H is the standard shortcut for Hide
Gretl. And that doesn't work now. Confusing.
I'll take a look at that.
I prefer the quartz version for the looks and the absence of X but
really don't like the absence of a standard way to get to the menu
with a keyboard shortcut and the absence of single letter keyboard
navigation of the menus. One is forced to use the mouse.
I hear you -- and I'm not proposing to do away with the X11 version
at this point -- but my guess is that most Mac users are not in the
habit of using the keyboard to navigate menus. I'm by no means
authoritative on that, however. Any other opinions, people?
Allin Cottrell
2:58 p.m.
Hi there,
In terms of short cuts I'm in gretl only using 'Alt + w' in order to work with
the (many) windows.
One question: if one does not use the 'quartz' version but wants to change to it,
is it necessary to uninstall other software too like X?
I'm in favor of a 32/64 bit download option for windows.
Have a nice weekend
Leon
Am 12.10.2013 um 16:48 schrieb Allin Cottrell
<cottrell(a)wfu.edu>:
> On Sat, 12 Oct 2013, Berend Hasselman wrote:
>
>
>> On 11-10-2013, at 21:49, Allin Cottrell <cottrell(a)wfu.edu> wrote:
>>
>> It's time we put out a new gretl release (this will be 1.9.13) and
>> we're pretty much ready to do that. But first I'd like to ask a
>> couple of questions, about the gretl packages for MS Windows and Mac
>> OS X, and see what people have to say [...]
>
> I am very much in two minds about [making the gtk-quartz
> version of gretl the default download for the Mac].
>
> [...]
>
> The quartz version has weirdness with the keyboard.
> Command+H brings up the help system but in the gretl OS X menu at
> top of the screen Command+H is the standard shortcut for Hide
> Gretl. And that doesn't work now. Confusing.
I'll take a look at that.
> I prefer the quartz version for the looks and the absence of X but
> really don't like the absence of a standard way to get to the menu
> with a keyboard shortcut and the absence of single letter keyboard
> navigation of the menus. One is forced to use the mouse.
I hear you -- and I'm not proposing to do away with the X11 version
at this point -- but my guess is that most Mac users are not in the
habit of using the keyboard to navigate menus. I'm by no means
authoritative on that, however. Any other opinions, people?
Allin Cottrell
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3:07 p.m.
On Sat, 12 Oct 2013, Pindar wrote:
In terms of short cuts I'm in gretl only using 'Alt + w'
in order to
work with the (many) windows.
One question: if one does not use the 'quartz' version but wants to
change to it, is it necessary to uninstall other software too like X?
You'd probably want to uninstall the previous gretl version, but there's
no need to uninstall X.
I'm in favor of a 32/64 bit download option for windows.
Have a nice weekend
Thanks.
Allin
3:24 p.m.
On 12-10-2013, at 16:58, Pindar <pindar777(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi there,
In terms of short cuts I'm in gretl only using 'Alt + w' in order to work
with the (many) windows.
I forgot to mention that one.
I use Alt+w a lot.
How do I get the popup window list in the Gretl Quartz?
(Alt+w doesn't work).
It seems that Ctrl+R also works for running a script.
Berend
3:53 p.m.
On 12-10-2013, at 17:24, Berend Hasselman <bhh(a)xs4all.nl> wrote:
On 12-10-2013, at 16:58, Pindar <pindar777(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> In terms of short cuts I'm in gretl only using 'Alt + w' in order to work
with the (many) windows.
>
I forgot to mention that one.
I use Alt+w a lot.
How do I get the popup window list in the Gretl Quartz?
(Alt+w doesn't work).
Additional remark on this.
Command+W would not be an alternative since that is the standard OS X shortcut for closing
a window.
Command+` is the standard OS X shortcut for switching focus to the next window of an
application.
But in Gretl-quartz it doesn't work.
So if something is going to be done about this Command+` should have priority.
Berend
5:30 p.m.
Yes, I agree. I navigate menus with my mouse.
I give a try to gretl 1.9.12cvs build date 2013-10-4.
But :
menu Tools --> Preferences --> Fixed (or Menu) fonts
gives me a window : "scanning for (a number) fonts"
and immediatly Gretl crashes
Sincerely,
Frédéric Dupont
> I hear you -- and I'm not proposing to do away with the X11
version
at this point -- but my guess is that most Mac users are not in the
habit of using the keyboard to navigate menus. I'm by no means
authoritative on that, however. Any other opinions, people?
Allin Cottrell
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Process: gretl [1249]
Path: /Applications/math/Gretl.app/Contents/Resources/bin/gretl
Identifier: net.sourceforge.gretl
Version: ??? (1.9.13)
Code Type: X86-64 (Native)
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Date/Time: 2013-10-12 19:26:24.911 +0200
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Report Version: 9
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6:53 p.m.
On 12 October 2013 17:30, pacotomi <pacotomi(a)orange.fr> wrote:
Yes, I agree. I navigate menus with my mouse.
I give a try to gretl 1.9.12cvs build date 2013-10-4.
But :
menu Tools --> Preferences --> Fixed (or Menu) fonts
gives me a window : "scanning for (a number) fonts"
and immediatly Gretl crashes
Sincerely,
Frédéric Dupont
Selecting either option works fine and -gretl- doesn't crash on my Kubuntu
Linux 13.04 system, so it must be your system or machine.
--
Clive Nicholas
"My colleagues in the social sciences talk a great deal about methodology.
I prefer to call it style." -- Freeman J. Dyson
7:40 p.m.
I don't know this version of Mac OSX ;-))
Forgive me, I forgot to say I was testing the last "gretl-quartz" for MacOSX
Sincerely
Frédéric
Le 12 oct. 2013 à 20:53, Clive Nicholas a écrit :
Selecting either option works fine and -gretl- doesn't crash on my Kubuntu Linux
13.04 system, so it must be your system or machine.
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Clive Nicholas
"My colleagues in the social sciences talk a great deal about methodology. I prefer
to call it style." -- Freeman J. Dyson
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3:26 p.m.
On Sat, 12 Oct 2013, pacotomi wrote:
Yes, I agree. I navigate menus with my mouse.
I give a try to gretl 1.9.12cvs build date 2013-10-4.
But :
menu Tools --> Preferences --> Fixed (or Menu) fonts
gives me a window : "scanning for (a number) fonts"
and immediatly Gretl crashes
Thanks for the report, I'll look into that. (Context from below: this is
the 64-bit gtk-quartz build of gretl on OS X 10.7.5).
Allin Cottrell
3:51 p.m.
On Sat, 12 Oct 2013, Berend Hasselman wrote:
On 12-10-2013, at 16:58, Pindar <pindar777(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> In terms of short cuts I'm in gretl only using 'Alt + w' in order to work
with the (many) windows.
>
I forgot to mention that one.
I use Alt+w a lot.
How do I get the popup window list in the Gretl Quartz?
(Alt+w doesn't work).
Brief policy statement: I'm not too worried right now about plain letter
keys not being usable for navigating menu items, but I am taking seriously
the points about (a) advertised shortcuts not working (e.g. command+h not
hiding the app) and (b) widely expected accelerators such as Alt+w not
working.
I'm updating the versions of the GTK and gtk-mac-integration libraries
that I'm using for the quartz build (in the hope of benefitting from some
relevant bug-fixes) and I'll run some experiments.
Allin
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