With regards to trying sudo fc-cache prior to running Gretl I get /Users/jlm1/.fontconfig: invalid cache file: 06967e83801ccef301685ecdd941333e-ppc64.cache-2 /Users/jlm1/.fontconfig: invalid cache file: 0fe0af1d5898cfe43064332244d1dc15-ppc64.cache-2 /Users/jlm1/.fontconfig: invalid cache file: 1bd20f0f0c9d7d1d5fd55b69fcc2b3a3-ppc64.cache-2 /Users/jlm1/.fontconfig: invalid cache file: 2cee944125173ffd13126fb55c9a0dc1-ppc64.cache-2 /Users/jlm1/.fontconfig: invalid cache file: 46b41a146a4b6395650bacbcf1cca12a-ppc64.cache-2 /Users/jlm1/.fontconfig: invalid cache file: 68418e0da60dfe4003a8c2435e92b1d3-ppc64.cache-2 /Users/jlm1/.fontconfig: invalid cache file: 6ac606a6cc613b1dd45fa75d9315a55e-ppc64.cache-2 /Users/jlm1/.fontconfig: invalid cache file: 7c10409a5d7a696d98ceb77b9b1e9209-ppc64.cache-2 /Users/jlm1/.fontconfig: invalid cache file: 8b934b58f0acb2e86a0bbbb5d24d97c0-ppc64.cache-2 /Users/jlm1/.fontconfig: invalid cache file: 90acf7d99f5044d4df0432f2d0f16b42-ppc64.cache-2 /Users/jlm1/.fontconfig: invalid cache file: 9d1309b694d3c54925f5042f8ddfdcdb-ppc64.cache-2 /Users/jlm1/.fontconfig: invalid cache file: be2547a64937fd44a1f33dfd1eea53e8-ppc64.cache-2 /Users/jlm1/.fontconfig: invalid cache file: d929d2c542e4f6652ca46d613e4b360e-ppc64.cache-2 /Users/jlm1/.fontconfig: invalid cache file: f8033d5e4c6effb98c84b18a50eef42d-ppc64.cache-2 and then when I run gretl it crashes as before. This is on an intel iMac and an intel macbook so I am wondering why the ppc64 in the message unless it is totally unrelated. Jay mutter