7:26 p.m.
After a long correspondence with a user who saw gretl crashing
on start-up on OS X Lion, it became apparent that the GTK
(2.14.3) framework we've been using (built by the R guys) may
be problematic on Lion. When he tried with a different GTK
version, gretl ran OK.
The alternative build he tried at my suggestion was another
from the R guys, namely GTK_2.18.5-X11.pkg. This is more or
less a drop-in replacement for the version we've been using,
but it requires a little hackery to get gretl working with it,
and in my experience on OS X 10.6.8 the font-handling is
buggy.
So... I've now built a new GTK+.framework myself, on 10.6.8.
This one should be a direct drop-in replacement for the
framework we've been using up till now -- on intel macs
running OS X 10.6 or higher. And the font handling should be
OK.
I'd be grateful if people could test this build. To give it a
try, do the following (but please read to the end first!):
1) Download
http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/pub/gretl/GTK+.framework.dmg.gz and
double-click to unzip it. (You can then delete the .gz file.)
2) Move your existing GTK+.framework out of the way: in a
terminal, do
sudo mv /Library/Frameworks/GTK+.framework \
/Library/Frameworks/GTK+.framework.old
3) Double-click the new dmg file to mount it, then open the
image in the Finder. Drag the GTK+.framework folder onto the
Frameworks folder to install.
Now check that gretl runs OK. Although it's not essential, you
may want to use the current gretl snapshot:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/gretl/files/snapshots/gretl-intel.dmg.gz/...
Since the problem that started all this was on Lion, I'm
particularly interested to see if gretl works there with this
new GTK build, but I'm also interested in results on 10.6.
Note: at present this is a single-arch build, only i386. If
you're running GTK apps other than gretl, and some of them are
64-bit, this framework will NOT support them. I can add x86_64
if need be.
If you try the new framework and then want to restore the old
one:
# delete the new one
sudo rm -rf /Library/Frameworks/GTK+.framework
# restore the old
sudo mv /Library/Frameworks/GTK+.framework.old \
/Library/Frameworks/GTK+.framework
Allin Cottrell
2:54 a.m.
2011/10/10 Allin Cottrell <cottrell(a)wfu.edu>
(...)
So... I've now built a new GTK+.framework myself, on 10.6.8.
This one should be a direct drop-in replacement for the
framework we've been using up till now -- on intel macs
running OS X 10.6 or higher. And the font handling should be
OK.
I'd be grateful if people could test this build. To give it a
try, do the following (but please read to the end first!):
(...)
Now check that gretl runs OK. Although it's not essential, you
may want to use the current gretl snapshot:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/gretl/files/snapshots/gretl-intel.dmg.gz/...
Since the problem that started all this was on Lion, I'm
particularly interested to see if gretl works there with this
new GTK build, but I'm also interested in results on 10.6.
Dear Allin, I installed the new GTK+ on Mac OS X Snow Leopard (or Mac OS X
10.6) and Gretl didn't crash. But I noticed some differences between the new
and the old GTK+.
The first difference is related with the number of fonts available for use
with Gretl (via GUI, Main window -> Tools -> Preferences -> Fixed font or
Menu font):
New GTK+
Number of fonts available for gretl output windows: 12
Number of fonts available for menus and labels: 43
Old GTK+
Number of fonts available for gretl output windows: 25
Number of fonts available for menus and labels: 233
The second difference is the look 'n' feel of Gretl windows. Please take a
look at the attached files Old GTK.png and New GTK.png. IMHO the old one is
the best.
The third difference is the gnuplot graphs. Please take a look at the
attached files Old GTK (gnuplot graph).png and New GTK (gnuplot graph).png.
I used exactly the same command to generate these files.
Hopefully, these descriptions may help you :-)
Um abraço,
Henrique Andrade
3:37 a.m.
On Mon, 10 Oct 2011, Henrique Andrade wrote:
2011/10/10 Allin Cottrell <cottrell(a)wfu.edu>
(...)
So... I've now built a new GTK+.framework myself, on 10.6.8.
>
> I'd be grateful if people could test this build.
Dear Allin, I installed the new GTK+ on Mac OS X Snow Leopard (or
Mac OS X 10.6) and Gretl didn't crash. But I noticed some
differences between the new and the old GTK+.
The first difference is related with the number of fonts available for use
with Gretl (via GUI, Main window -> Tools -> Preferences -> Fixed font or
Menu font):
New GTK+
Number of fonts available for gretl output windows: 12
Number of fonts available for menus and labels: 43
Old GTK+
Number of fonts available for gretl output windows: 25
Number of fonts available for menus and labels: 233
The second difference is the look 'n' feel of Gretl windows. Please take a
look at the attached files Old GTK.png and New GTK.png. IMHO the old one is
the best.
The third difference is the gnuplot graphs. Please take a look at the
attached files Old GTK (gnuplot graph).png and New GTK (gnuplot graph).png.
I used exactly the same command to generate these files.
Thanks, this is useful. I'd agree that the appearance of the fonts
is not great (they look somewhat better on my Macbook). I'll see
what I can do about that.
Allin
10:44 a.m.
Hi,
I have tested and it runs OK.... but
There is some problems with GTK+.framework on Mac OSX. We need it for Gretl and R
R suggests to use the following build at http://R.research.att.com/
**************************
GTK+ 2.18.5 framework - universal build of GTK+ 2.18.5, necessary for binary R packages
that use GTK+ version 2 (such as RGtk2+). R 2.10.0 and higher, Leopard build
Download: GTK_2.18.5-X11.pkg (ca. 58MB)
*************************
But with this build, Gretl doesn't start :-(
If I use previous version of GTK+ or the new one build for Gretl, Gretl is OK but R cries
(for example rattle() on R).
Strange (may I add that my knowledge of computer science is next door to zero)
Another strange and recent problem with Gretl.
I have tried to call Tramo within Gretl and I get an error on powerPC applications. With
terminal.app :
**********************
Launch of "tramo" failed: the PowerPC architecture is no longer supported.
**********************
Sincerely,
Pacotomi
My Mac :
Nom du modèle: MacBook Pro
Identifiant du modèle: MacBookPro2,2
Nom du processeur: Intel Core 2 Duo
Vitesse du processeur: 2,33 GHz
Nombre de processeurs: 1
Nombre total de cœurs: 2
Cache de niveau 2: 4 Mo
Mémoire: 4 Go
My system
Version du système: Mac OS X 10.7.1 (11B26)
Version du noyau: Darwin 11.1.0
Le 11 oct. 2011 à 05:37, Allin Cottrell a écrit :
On Mon, 10 Oct 2011, Henrique Andrade wrote:
> 2011/10/10 Allin Cottrell <cottrell(a)wfu.edu>
>
> (...)
>
> So... I've now built a new GTK+.framework myself, on 10.6.8.
>>
>> I'd be grateful if people could test this build.
>
1:46 p.m.
On Tue, 11 Oct 2011, pacotomi wrote:
I have tested and it runs OK.... but
There is some problems with GTK+.framework on Mac OSX. We need it for Gretl and R
R suggests to use the following build at http://R.research.att.com/
**************************
GTK+ 2.18.5 framework - universal build of GTK+ 2.18.5, necessary for binary R packages
that use GTK+ version 2 (such as RGtk2+). R 2.10.0 and higher, Leopard build
Download: GTK_2.18.5-X11.pkg (ca. 58MB)
*************************
But with this build, Gretl doesn't start :-(
OK, this GTK variant (2.18.5) should work with gretl , but
requires a small hack, namely the addition of a symbolic link:
cd /Library/Frameworks/GTK+.framework/Versions
sudo ln -s 2.18.X11 2.14.X11
If I use previous version of GTK+ or the new one build for
Gretl, Gretl is OK but R cries (for example rattle() on R).
Thanks for the report. It seems that if I pursue the option of
building GTK for OS X myself, I should arrange things such
that it doesn't collide with an R installation. For example,
I could call mine gretl-GTK.framework so it could be installed
in parallel with GTK for R.
Another strange and recent problem with Gretl.
I have tried to call Tramo within Gretl and I get an error on powerPC applications. With
terminal.app :
**********************
Launch of "tramo" failed: the PowerPC architecture is no longer supported.
**********************
That's Lion: rosetta is gone and only intel binaries will run.
I should probably clarify the OS X downloads page; previously,
with rosetta, it didn't matter if you installed the PPC
version of Tramo on an intel Mac.
Allin Cottrell
7:33 p.m.
Yes the small hack is OK but ....
Gretl's Gnuplot sends error messages.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1360845/Capture%20d%E2%80%99%C3%A9cran%202011-10-...
The idea of a gretl-GTK.framework is a very good idea.
Pacotomi
Le 11 oct. 2011 à 15:46, Allin Cottrell a écrit :
On Tue, 11 Oct 2011, pacotomi wrote:
OK, this GTK variant (2.18.5) should work with gretl , but
requires a small hack, namely the addition of a symbolic link:
cd /Library/Frameworks/GTK+.framework/Versions
sudo ln -s 2.18.X11 2.14.X11
8 p.m.
On Tue, 11 Oct 2011, pacotomi wrote:
Yes the small hack is OK but ....
Gretl's Gnuplot sends error messages.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1360845/Capture%20d%E2%80%99%C3%A9cran%202011-10-...
Yes, font-handling in the GTK_2.18.5 pkg is partially broken.
You may see another oddity: trying typing "difficult" in the
script editor. I believe you'll see the "fi" looking very
bizarre.
The idea of a gretl-GTK.framework is a very good idea.
Thanks, I think it's worth pursuing.
Allin Cottrell
10:51 a.m.
New subject: [inbox] gretl on OS X: alternative GTK framework
Hi,
I'am stupid. Please forget my remark on Tramo. I have downloaded the intel version and
all is OK.
Sorry
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