10:23 a.m.
Am 23.07.2024 um 17:11 schrieb Cottrell, Allin:
On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 8:49 AM Sven Schreiber
<sven.schreiber(a)fu-berlin.de> wrote:
> Am 22.07.2024 um 20:55 schrieb Cottrell, Allin:
>
>
> Thanks, Allin. A first bit of feedback: When I have language preferences set to
"Automatic" (on a Win11 system set to German) and change the _editor_ theme to
something else, on restart then gretl seems to come up in a language mish-mash: The menus
are in English, but other labels are in German. But another restart apparently solves
that; not sure whether another change of settings was required for that.
I'll try some testing on that.
(moving this to the devel-list; all this is with the experimental
GTK3-based Windows snapshot.)
I have just installed the latest incarnation from Aug 3rd. This is here
on Win10 now. On the attached screenshot you can see that on the left of
the main window some text and other stuff is not visible, it's beyond
the window virtual border. This seems to be due to the workdir path; if
that is shorter, the stuff becomes visible again. I believe that under
GTK2 the path display is automatically shortened. This problem
disappears when a dataset (with a shorter name than the German message
"Keine Datendatei geladen") is loaded; or when the console on the right
is narrower, such that the left-hand side has more space.
Fonts are very sharp on this hi-res laptop screen, very nice!
Honoring the theme setting and/or the language setting still sometimes
seems to require one extra restart. For example, the screenshot shows
Adawaita (I believe), while the theme setting says Windows-10.
BTW, on Win11 the window edges are more rounded again, so there I
actually even prefer the old Win-7 theme or even Adawaita over the
Windows-10 theme. I guess a usable Windows-11 theme doesn't exist yet
for GTK3?
thanks
sven
10:36 a.m.
New subject: [Gretl-users] Re: new gretl snapshots available
Am 08.08.2024 um 12:23 schrieb Sven Schreiber:
(moving this to the devel-list; all this is with the experimental
GTK3-based Windows snapshot.)
Collecting more observations: When I double-click on a gretl script .inp
file, I get the usual question "open new gretl instance?", but when I
click No, the opposite happens and the file is loaded into a second
instance.
-s
12:13 p.m.
New subject: [Gretl-users] Re: new gretl snapshots available
On Thu, Aug 8, 2024 at 6:36 AM Sven Schreiber
<sven.schreiber(a)fu-berlin.de> wrote:
Am 08.08.2024 um 12:23 schrieb Sven Schreiber:
>
> (moving this to the devel-list; all this is with the experimental
> GTK3-based Windows snapshot.)
Collecting more observations: When I double-click on a gretl script .inp
file, I get the usual question "open new gretl instance?", but when I
click No, the opposite happens and the file is loaded into a second
instance.
Thanks for testing. Evidently there are some subtle gtk3/gtk2
differences which need to be investigated before we think of replacing
the win64 version with gtk3.
Allin
8:42 p.m.
New subject: [Gretl-users] Re: new gretl snapshots available
On Thu, Aug 8, 2024 at 6:23 AM Sven Schreiber
<sven.schreiber(a)fu-berlin.de> wrote:
[About the GTK3-based Windows snapshot]
> I have just installed the latest incarnation from Aug 3rd.
This is here
> on Win10 now. On the attached screenshot you can see that on the left of
> the main window some text and other stuff is not visible, it's beyond
> the window virtual border. This seems to be due to the workdir path; if
> that is shorter, the stuff becomes visible again. I believe that under
> GTK2 the path display is automatically shortened.
It's automatically shortened under GTK3 too, but apparently not by
enough to compensate for the somewhat narrower "main window" portion
when the console is embedded. I think this should now be fixed in
today's snapshot.
Honoring the theme setting and/or the language setting still
sometimes
seems to require one extra restart. For example, the screenshot shows
Adawaita (I believe), while the theme setting says Windows-10.
I've played around with that a bit and can't provoke a problem --
except when switching between the gtk2 and gtk3 versions, which is to
be expected.
BTW, on Win11 the window edges are more rounded again, so there I
actually even prefer the old Win-7 theme or even Adawaita over the
Windows-10 theme. I guess a usable Windows-11 theme doesn't exist yet
for GTK3?
I don't think so. I too find the Windows 10 theme too angular (and too
unrelievedly white), but Adwaita looks quite nice IMO.
In a subsequent post, Sven raised the business of the gtk3 build not
respecting the "Don't start another gretl instance" choice (e.g. when
gretl is already running and you double-click on a gretl script file
on the Desktop). That should now be fixed. It's not easy on Windows to
find the top-level window to which we should say, "Hey, prior gretl
instance, you take care of opening this file". That was failing under
GTK3, I guess because it sets a somewhat different set of flags on a
top-level window relative to what we were expecting with GTK2.
Allin
11:05 a.m.
New subject: [Gretl-users] Re: new gretl snapshots available
Am 08.08.2024 um 22:42 schrieb Cottrell, Allin:
On Thu, Aug 8, 2024 at 6:23 AM Sven Schreiber
<sven.schreiber(a)fu-berlin.de> wrote:
[About the GTK3-based Windows snapshot]
...
It's automatically shortened under GTK3 too, but apparently not by
enough to compensate for the somewhat narrower "main window" portion
when the console is embedded. I think this should now be fixed in
today's snapshot.
Confirmed!
> Honoring the theme setting and/or the language setting still
sometimes
> seems to require one extra restart. For example, the screenshot shows
> Adawaita (I believe), while the theme setting says Windows-10.
I've played around with that a bit and can't provoke a problem --
except when switching between the gtk2 and gtk3 versions, which is to
be expected.
OK
> BTW, on Win11 the window edges are more rounded again, so there
I
> actually even prefer the old Win-7 theme or even Adawaita over the
> Windows-10 theme. I guess a usable Windows-11 theme doesn't exist yet
> for GTK3?
I don't think so. I too find the Windows 10 theme too angular (and too
unrelievedly white), but Adwaita looks quite nice IMO.
The main window looks OK,
yes. But I'm less happy with the buttons and
drop-down widgets in Adwaita, for example in the settings dialog. But
the theming issue will probably resolve itself over time.
In a subsequent post, Sven raised the business of the gtk3 build not
respecting the "Don't start another gretl instance" choice (e.g. when
gretl is already running and you double-click on a gretl script file
on the Desktop). That should now be fixed.
Also confirmed!
What I'm still seeing is that pasting text into the (swallowed) console
from external programs doesn't work. (While it does work within gretl,
e.g. from the script editor to the console.) Not sure right now whether
that is actually a GTK3-only problem.
---
BTW, I have a generic remark on the tooltip in the function package
dialog. I think I'm referring to the following line in gui/datafiles.c
(although I have no idea what it has to do with data files...):
{ N_("Help"), GRETL_STOCK_PDF, G_CALLBACK(show_package_doc), BTN_DOC },
Since this is only about existing _PDF_ help for a package (as opposed
to text-based help), I think the Tooltip should say "PDF help" or "PDF
doc", not just "Help", otherwise it's a tiny bit misleading. But
I'm not
sure whether I have identified the right source line.
thanks
sven
4:23 p.m.
New subject: [Gretl-users] Re: new gretl snapshots available
Am 08.08.2024 um 14:13 schrieb Cottrell, Allin:
Thanks for testing. Evidently there are some subtle gtk3/gtk2
differences which need to be investigated before we think of replacing
the win64 version with gtk3.
Another of those subtle differences: The GTK2 version reports
$sysinfo.stack_size 4x as large as the GTK3 one on the same machine
(roughly 8e6 vs. 2e6). Both the respectively latest snapshots, with a
couple of days of age difference. I remember that this number was
recently increased (see changelog for 2024b), but apparently only
conditionally somehow?
cheers
sven
4:41 p.m.
New subject: [Gretl-users] Re: new gretl snapshots available
On Fri, Aug 9, 2024 at 12:31 PM Sven Schreiber
<sven.schreiber(a)fu-berlin.de> wrote:
Am 08.08.2024 um 14:13 schrieb Cottrell, Allin:
> Thanks for testing. Evidently there are some subtle gtk3/gtk2
> differences which need to be investigated before we think of replacing
> the win64 version with gtk3.
Another of those subtle differences: The GTK2 version reports
$sysinfo.stack_size 4x as large as the GTK3 one on the same machine
(roughly 8e6 vs. 2e6). Both the respectively latest snapshots, with a
couple of days of age difference. I remember that this number was
recently increased (see changelog for 2024b), but apparently only
conditionally somehow?
My configure-script options were slightly out of date for the gtk3
Windows build. That's now fixed, so the next snapshot will have the
bigger stack.
Allin
5:24 p.m.
New subject: [Gretl-users] Re: new gretl snapshots available
On 09/08/2024 18:41, Cottrell, Allin wrote:
On Fri, Aug 9, 2024 at 12:31 PM Sven Schreiber
<sven.schreiber(a)fu-berlin.de> wrote:
>
> Am 08.08.2024 um 14:13 schrieb Cottrell, Allin:
>> Thanks for testing. Evidently there are some subtle gtk3/gtk2
>> differences which need to be investigated before we think of replacing
>> the win64 version with gtk3.
>
> Another of those subtle differences: The GTK2 version reports
> $sysinfo.stack_size 4x as large as the GTK3 one on the same machine
> (roughly 8e6 vs. 2e6). Both the respectively latest snapshots, with a
> couple of days of age difference. I remember that this number was
> recently increased (see changelog for 2024b), but apparently only
> conditionally somehow?
My configure-script options were slightly out of date for the gtk3
Windows build. That's now fixed, so the next snapshot will have the
bigger stack.
Another glitch with the GTK3 build: at least on my Win 10 VM, resizing
windows is very difficult. It looks as if you have to grab the right
_pixel_ to activate resizing.
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Riccardo (Jack) Lucchetti
Dipartimento di Scienze Economiche e Sociali (DiSES)
Università Politecnica delle Marche
(formerly known as Università di Ancona)
r.lucchetti(a)univpm.it
http://www2.econ.univpm.it/servizi/hpp/lucchetti
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5:44 p.m.
New subject: [Gretl-users] Re: new gretl snapshots available
Am 09.08.2024 um 19:24 schrieb Riccardo (Jack) Lucchetti:
Another glitch with the GTK3 build: at least on my Win 10 VM, resizing
windows is very difficult. It looks as if you have to grab the right
_pixel_ to activate resizing.
Wouldn't this depend on the theme? Have you tried a different one?
-s
10:08 a.m.
New subject: [Gretl-users] Re: new gretl snapshots available
On 09/08/2024 19:44, Sven Schreiber wrote:
Am 09.08.2024 um 19:24 schrieb Riccardo (Jack) Lucchetti:
>
> Another glitch with the GTK3 build: at least on my Win 10 VM, resizing
> windows is very difficult. It looks as if you have to grab the right
> _pixel_ to activate resizing.
>
Wouldn't this depend on the theme? Have you tried a different one?
Good hint. The "windows 7" theme is ok; the other available ones, not so
much.
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Riccardo (Jack) Lucchetti
Dipartimento di Scienze Economiche e Sociali (DiSES)
Università Politecnica delle Marche
(formerly known as Università di Ancona)
r.lucchetti(a)univpm.it
http://www2.econ.univpm.it/servizi/hpp/lucchetti
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