On Fri, 16 Nov 2018, Sven Schreiber wrote:
Am 15.11.18 um 22:43 schrieb Allin Cottrell:
> For over 12 years Wake Forest University has hosted the gretl-devel and
> gretl-users lists, using GNU Mailman. I'm now told that they're going to
> discontinue Mailman support; we have about 6 weeks to run before they pull
> the plug.
Does that include Mailman version 3? AFAIK the gretl lists run on Mailman 2,
and version 3 was released in 2015.
Yes, they're discontinuing all Mailman support.
> Their proposed alternative is Google Groups (GG), and they've
set up groups
> to shadow gretl-devel, gretl-users and gretl-announce.
I'd be pretty strongly against moving to Google. As we all know, we pay those
"free" offerings with our data. Yes it's convenient, but it would be great
those with university ties and affiliations could leverage those resources
for this open-source project. We would shut out people who choose not to have
a Google account.
My understanding is that you don't need to have a Google account to
subscribe to a google group, though I think that's required to use
their web interface.
> So we could migrate to GG with (I hope) little difficulty. But
> want to consider alternatives.
In the past Jack offered to have mailing lists hosted at his Uni. BTW, I've
read that Mailman 3 also offers a forum-like interface (in addition to, not
replacing the standard mail interface, AFAIK). I have no personal experience,
however, at least not consciously.
If we'd be able to continue with the same format, hosted at Ancona,
that would be a nice option.
> I have very little experience with GG so I don't have a sense
of how good a
> replacement they would provide. One alternative would be to use the
> Sourceforge mailing list apparatus, but I wouldn't favour that; I like many
> things about SF but IMO their mailing list interface really sucks. And then
> we've talked about moving to a "forum" approach in the past; I guess
> should be considered too. Personally I think a forum of some sort might be
> a good replacement for the current gretl-users, but I have a strong
> preference for a "mailing list" format for devel purposes.
I agree that splitting up the platforms for users and devel could make sense.
Perhaps the easiest route for the users list would indeed be to replace it
with a SF forum (plus a very visible link to the old list archives). I could
probably manage such a users' forum on SF in a similar way as the trackers:
That means, organizing the number and range of subforums and do a minimal
amount of moderation (which we all should do, however).
Thanks, Sven. I can't remember: do we require an SF login to post to
the trackers? I think there may be a danger of spam otherwise.